Why war with Iran would spell disaster - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Why war with Iran would spell disaster - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
http://abiteinthechunk.blogspot.ca/2012/09/why-war-with-iran-would-spell-disaster.html

Murtaza Hussain
Murtaza Hussain is a Toronto-based writer and analyst focused on issues related to Middle Eastern politics.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/09/201291194236970294.html


Why war with Iran would spell disaster
US politicians are ratcheting up calls for war without being honest with the public about what it would really mean.
Last Modified: 12 Sep 2012 08:44

[[[".....This reticence is reflective not of goodwill towards the Iranian regime, but of a recognition that such a war would be catastrophic to American interests and would have serious implications for continued global stability. Americans are being goaded and misinformed by cynical political maneouvering which is attempting to steer them into another disastrous and assuredly bloody war for the sake of interest group politics and short-term political expediency.

If there is to be another pre-emptive war of choice, this time with Iran, American politicians must openly and honestly acknowledge what this would mean for Americans and for the world and allow them to make their decisions thusly.

War is never a choice to be taken lightly, but the potential consequences of a war with Iran would be unprecedented - the dangerous game being played at present by many US politicians is one which could take Americans down a ruinous path without their informed consent....."]]]



...in pure logic a War with Iran, according to mentioned data, could be the last straw on the "camels" back...!

...USA did IRAK first, then Afghanistan, with the bogging down aftermath guerrilla local warfare...!

...Nobody seems to realize that data suggest IRAN to be more powerful militarily, and of having a Geographical position of worse World economical consequences !

...i do not think an attack on Iran can be done as easily and with less amount of power and military than the 2nd Gulf War !

...it might mean a Japan Hiroshima, with less military cost, but worse, civilian lives loss and World judicial costs !

...all i know is, IRAN might not be as easy, as a full blown conventional war...! 
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...inquest of logic - nothing to do with "holy inquest"...!

 Inquest of Logic - Inquisitoria de la Lógica

http://www.inquest-of-logic.com/
https://sites.google.com/a/inquest-of-logic.com/inquest-of-logic/


Language of Europe was more simple with fewer words.
By the 13th Century judicial and human legal rights were developing more.

For Joint/United - Quest/Venture/Saga, of the study and analysis of Logic in all most it's fields in Academia and human knowledge and practices, has been a life fulfillment.

The results as to my acceptance has been as all through out human history of, ignorance, inquisitional tendencies to my person, and outright self denial from most everybody.

I hope my Quest and now Inquest and not hopefully formal Judicial Inquiry, will not have put an end to any human progress to better ways of living and life!

As this is what has been the inferred answer I have received: "Pure Logic, is too ahead of it's time, or simply human will not be much better than they have been so far!

The amazing thing is that most humans pay and donate to worse logic activities, and live in like manner. And the World can go on for ever, in this sense, with not much more progress!

To live reality with the best knowledge and logic, is of true pure logic adults! We will establish centers of pure logic, with the ethics and moral teachings of normal humans and established laws.

What is, is and has been established. But was isn't and is better, is for all those that want to. And what is better cannot be detained, and has a place in World Academia and New Theology.

You can be what you want to be in whatever belief, study, and logic.

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[C13: from Medieval Latin inquēsta,  from Latin in- ² + quaesītus  investigation, from quaerere  to examine]
late 13c., an-queste "legal or judicial inquiry," from O.Fr. enqueste "inquiry," from fem. pp. of V.L. *inquirere "inquire" (see inquire).

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...an assault on reason - huffingtonpost . "ca"...!

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/social/peasants_for_ever/allan-gregg-speech-assault-on-reason_n_1871658_185839288.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/10/allan-gregg-speech-assault-on-reason_n_1871658.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

Hi,
It seems to be a way History goes. The sacrifice of each ones rights for a common alleged good! But it is not exactly our good! Though they would try and convince us, it is for our good! Well the truth is that "peasants" are increasing, un-employment, and Government cuts make this more a reality! Who said Government is not the cash cow that does not want to provide employment? The similitude of a adult-child this time is that a child does not have rights or freedoms of an adult! And not because "mental health" and the RCMP took them from you, in their draconian "public behavior" control of their doomed society!
George.

LEST WE forget and i mean it![we archive it here too]:
[[[[["...“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” – Voltaire

In his novel 1984, George Orwell paints a portrait of a nightmarish future where rights that we now take for granted – the freedom of assembly, speech and to trial – have all been suspended. Acceptance of this totalitarian state is justified by the interests of stability and order, and by the needs a perpetual war. But what makes 1984 endure where other dystopian novels have been forgotten is that Orwell removed one more right that is even more unimaginable in a modern context – the right to think.

Instead of reason and rational discourse, Oceania is ruled by doublethink – “to know and not to know. To be conscious of complete truthfulness, while telling carefully construed lies … to use logic against logic: to repudiate morality while laying claim to it”. As Orwell summarizes…. “In Oceania the heresy of heresy was common sense”.

Emblematic of the regime is Big Brother’s slogan, repeated constantly as a means of thought control….

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Even by the standards of the time in which he was writing, the juxtaposition of these concepts is so ludicrous, many believe that Orwell was using satire to wage his war against authoritarianism and the assault on reason. Anyone who has been to war knows it is anything but peaceful. Anyone who has been enslaved is more than aware that they are not free. But what about those who are ignorant? Do they feel weak … or strong?

Throughout history there has been a need to explain the unexplained. And for the greatest part of history, the bulwark against not-knowing has been superstition, dogma and orthodoxy. Can’t explain droughts? Blame God’s wrath. Why are we suffering from mysterious diseases? Witchcraft. And of course, economic downturns could be blamed on ethnic minorities. The response to these beliefs has been human sacrifices, burning at the stake and ethnic cleansing. This is the linkage that Voltaire made when he wrote … “those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities”.
Understanding the world or explaining phenomena through superstition, dogma and orthodoxy – instead of facts and reason – invariably leads to some very ugly and uncivilized behaviour. The reason for this is fairly straightforward – namely, beliefs that are rooted in superstition, dogma and orthodoxy are not sustainable … sooner or later their veracity will be tested by facts and evidence. Those who need these beliefs to sustain their interests and power therefore must enforce at the point of a sword or remove those who might prove them to be untrue.

Orwell’s claim that “Ignorance is Strength” might have been the clever writing of a satirist at the height of his talents but it was also much more than that. It is his most dire warning. Abolitionist and newspaper publisher Fredrick Douglas said that it was illiteracy more than the lash that gave slaveholders power over black men and women. Orwell was making a similar point… the suppression of knowledge and reason is the tyrant’s most powerful tool… and the greatest threat to freedom. “Orthodoxy,” he said, “means not thinking – not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness”.

Of course, the opposite is also true. The greater the knowledge and education of a population, the more difficult it is to oppress them. As Steven Pinker notes in his new book “The Better Nature of our Angels” … “The subversive power of the flow of information and people has never been lost on political and religious tyrants. This is why they suppress speech, writing and associations and why democracies protect these channels in their bills of rights” (p. 179).

In fact, in a triumph of his own research and command of reason, Pinker makes a compelling case that the hallmark of modern history has been a progressive decline in violence, accompanied by a steady upward trajectory of civilized, humane and peaceful behaviour. More than anything else, it has been the embracing of reason and enlightened thinking that has moved civilization forward.

In his 2007 best seller, “The Assault on Reason”, Nobel Prize winner and former Vice- President Al Gore made his own case for the protection of reason as the foundation of democracy. The basis of his argument is that the marketplace of ideas is open to all and the fate of those ideas is based on their merit (rather than birthright or finance). In this sense, reason reinforces equality. Moreover, when we engage in public debate, armed with reason, by definition, we are prepared to compromise and find common ground with those who might otherwise be our opponents. In this way, conflicts between individuals are resolved through words and ideas rather than the barrel of a gun. In the same way, it was only when ordinary citizens began to govern themselves using common sense, logic, and the best available evidence, that governments began to change and evolve without resorting to raw power and violence.

So it is important to remind ourselves why we value reason and why we should be very concerned when it comes under assault.

Pinker, like others, notes that democracies rarely, if ever, declare war on one another anymore and that the idea of one nation invading another to control sovereign territory has virtually become an anachronism. He explains the line between democracy and peace in this way … “Democratic government is designed to resolve conflict through consensual rule of law and so democracies .. externalize this ethic in dealing with other states. Also, every democracy knows the way the other democracies work, since they are all constructed on the same rational foundation rather than growing out of a cult of personality or messianic creed or chauvinistic mission” (p. 278). This mutual trust between democratic nations therefore mitigates against the need for any pre-emptive strike against one another.

And as important as peace and democracy are, reason also leads to a series of other beliefs and behaviours we now associate with our prosperity and fortunes.

Reason has taught us that it is cheaper and more efficient to enter into a commercial arrangement with our neighbours than to invade, plunder or colonize them. Trade of goods and services between nations, in turn, inflates and widens our empathy beyond kin and tribe and encourages immigration and pluralism.

Beyond empathy, science has revealed that all races and peoples share common traits and therefore deserve to be treated equally. This humanism and the placement of the rights of the individual on an even plane, above the rights of states, draws us inevitably towards concepts such as the responsibility to protect. While the scriptures might tell us we are all each other’s keepers, it is reason that compels us to behave in this way.

In fact, our entire notion of progress has reason at its core. As Ronald Wright reminds us in his brilliant lecture series, “A Short History of Progress”, this is a relatively modern concept. For most of civilization, people believed their station in life would be pretty much the same when they died as when they were born. And they believed this because it was true – mortality, health and wealth improved little for most of human history. It was only when we began to imagine that man and society was, if not perfectible, certainly improvable, that optimism and scientific endeavour sought to propel mankind forward.

And more than anything else, societal progress has been advanced by enlightened public policy that marshals our collective resources towards a larger public good. Once again it has been reason and scientific evidence that has delineated effective from ineffective policy. We have discovered that effective solutions can only be generated when they correspond to an accurate understanding of the problems they are designed to solve. Evidence, facts and reason therefore form the sine qua non of not only good policy, but good government.

I have spent my entire professional life as a researcher, dedicated to understanding the relationship between cause and effect. And I have to tell you, I’ve begun to see some troubling trends. It seems as though our government’s use of evidence and facts as the bases of policy is declining, and in their place, dogma, whim and political expediency are on the rise. And even more troubling …. Canadians seem to be buying it.

My concern was first piqued in July 2010, when the federal cabinet announced its decision to cut the mandatory long form census and replace it with a voluntary one. The rationale for this curious decision was that asking citizens for information about things like how many bathrooms were in their homes was a needless intrusion on their privacy and liberty. One might reasonably wonder how knowledge about the number of toilets you have could enable the government to invade your privacy, but that aside, it became clear that virtually no toilet owners had ever voiced concerns that the long form census, and its toilet questions, posed this kind of threat.

Again, as someone who had used the census – both as a commercial researcher and when I worked on Parliament Hill – I knew how important these data were in identifying not just toilet counts, but shifting population trends and the changes in the quality and quantity of life of Canadians. How could you determine how many units of affordable housing were needed unless you knew the change in the number of people who qualified for affordable housing? How could you assess the appropriate costs of affordable housing unless you knew the change in the amount of disposal income available to eligible recipients?

And even creepier, why would anyone forsake these valuable insights – and the chance to make good public policy – under the pretence that rights were violated when no one ever voiced the concern that this was happening? Was this a one-off move, however misguided? Or, the canary in the mineshaft?

Then came the Long Gun Registry. The federal government made good on their promise to dismantle it regardless of the fact that virtually every police chief in Canada said it was important to their work. Being true to their election promises? Or was there something else driving this decision?

Then, came the promise of a massive penitentiary construction spree which flew directly in the face of a mountain of evidence indicating that crime was on the decline. This struck me as a costly, unnecessary move, but knowing this government’s penchant to define itself as “tough-on-crime”, one could see – at least ideologically – why they did it. But, does that make it right?

Then came the post-stimulus federal budget of 2012 which I eagerly awaited to see if there would be something more here than mere political opportunism.

It was common knowledge that this government had little stomach for the deficit spending that followed the finance crisis of the previous years. And knowing that the public supported a return to balance budgets, it was a foregone conclusion that we were going to be presented with a fairly austere budget document. That the government intended to cut 19,000 civil servant jobs – roughly 6% of the total federal workforce – might have seemed a little draconian, but knowing what we knew, not that shocking.

As part of this package, it was also announced that environmental assessments were to be “streamlined” and that the final arbitration power of independent regulators was to be curtailed and possibly overridden by so-called “accountable” elected officials. Again, given the priority this government places on economic, and especially resource development, this was not necessarily unpredictable either.

But when then the specific cuts started to roll out, an alarming trend began to take shape.

- First up were those toilet counting, privacy violators at Stats Canada – ½ (not 6%, but 50%) of employees were warned that their jobs were at risk.

- 20% of the workforce at the Library and Archives of Canada were put on notice.

- CBC was told that it could live with a 10% reduction in their budgetary allocation.

-In what was described as the “lobotomization of the parks system” (G &M – May 21, 2012), 30% of the operating budget of Parks Canada was cut, eliminating 638 positions; 70% of whom would be scientists and social scientists.

-The National Roundtable on the Environment, the First Nations Statistical Institute, the National Council on Welfare and the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Science were, in Orwell’s parlance, “vaporized”; saving a grand total of $7.5 million.

-The Experimental Lakes Area, a research station that produced critical evidence that helped stop acid rain 3 decades ago and has been responsible for some of our most groundbreaking research on water quality was to be shut down. Savings? $2 million. The northernmost lab in Eureka, Nunavut awaits the same fate.

- The unit in charge of monitoring emissions from power plants, furnaces, boiler and other sources is to be abolished in order to save $600,000.

- And against the advice of 625 fisheries scientists and four former federal Fisheries Ministers – saying it is scientifically impossible to do — regulatory oversight of the fisheries was limited to stock that are of “human value”.

- To add insult to injury, these amendments was bundled in with 68 other laws into one Budget Bill, so that – using the power of majority government – no single item could be opposed or revoked.

- On the other side of the ledger however, the Canada Revenue Agency received an $8 million increase in its budget so that it had more resources available to investigate the political activity of not-for-profit and charitable organizations.

Ok, so now the facts were beginning to tell a different story. This was no random act of downsizing, but a deliberate attempt to obliterate certain activities that were previously viewed as a legitimate part of government decision-making – namely, using research, science and evidence as the basis to make policy decisions. It also amounted to an attempt to eliminate anyone who might use science, facts and evidence to challenge government policies.

And while few in the popular press at home belled the cat quite this squarely, the pattern did not go unnoticed in other quarters. The editorial in the March issue of Nature criticized the Harper Government for muzzling and tightening the media protocols applied to federal scientists. Two weeks earlier, the Canadian Science Writers Association, The World Federation of Science Journalists and others send an open letter to the Prime Minister calling on him stop suppressing scientific findings and let them be freely shared, in keeping with the best practices of the discipline. And in July, in an unprecedented demonstration, lab-coated scientists marched on Parliament Hill to protest what they viewed as a systematic attack on evidence-based research by this Government.

In 1984, the abandonment of reason is twinned not simply with unthinking orthodoxy but also by the wilful dissemination of misinformation. Orwell makes this point in part by using ironic names for various government departments: the Ministry of Love is responsible for war. The Ministry of Plenty is tasked with parsing rations.

Again if this is satire, I can pretty much guarantee that Orwell’s intent was savage. Written in the shadow of the war, Orwell had seen this kind of misdirection used to mask evil intents, in real time and in real life. When Hitler circumvented the German Parliament and seized power in 1933, he did so under legislation named “The Law to Remedy the Distress of the People”. When the horrors of the holocaust were revealed, they were accompanied by the unforgettable image of the gate into Auschwitz with its Orwellian slogan “Work Will Set You Free”.

And today, more and more, we see this same kind of misdirection and news speak in the behaviour of our legislators.

A quick review of the some of the Bills passed or on the order paper of this session of Parliament gives you the sense that this government might have studied under Orwell.

Bill C-5 is entitled “The Continuing Air Service for Passengers Act”. Substantively, it offers no such guarantee but unilaterally extended the contract of the National Automobile, Aerospace, Transport and General Workers Union of Canada and removed any prospect of a lockout or strike.

Bill C-10 is “An Act to Enact the Justice for Victims of Terrorism” and sub-titled “The Safe Streets and Communities Act”. Again forgetting for a moment that there are more victims of swimming pool drowning than terrorism, this is an Omnibus Bill which, among other things, stiffens penalties for possession of pot and builds more prisons.

Bill C-18 is called the “Marketing Freedom for Grain Farmers Act”. It dismantled the Canadian Wheat Board.

Bill C-26 boasts that it is “The Citizens Arrest and Self-Defense Act” and it is the closest we come in Canada to replicating Florida’s odious Stand Your Ground legislation.

The purpose of Bill C-30 is stated to be “The Protect Children from Internet Predators Act” and it, among other things, forces ISPs to hand over their user names to police without a warrant. When opponents protested this deliberate obfuscation, Safety Minister Vic Toews famously countered that “you are either with us or the child pornographers”.

The thing that is disconcerting and unsettling about all this is not just the substance of these Bills, but why a government would want to disguise that substance. Maybe dismantling the Wheat Board; or pre-emptively squashing collective bargaining; or sending more potheads to jail is a good thing. But before we make those decisions, let’s look at all the facts; have a fulsome and rational debate; and make a reasoned decision of what is in the best interests of all the parties involved. For voters to determine whether these are measures they support or oppose requires that they know what is at stake and what the government is actually doing. Moreover, for the rule of law to work, the public must have respect for the law. By obfuscating the true purpose of laws under the gobbledy-gook of double speak, governments are admitting that their intentions probably lack both support and respect. Again, the lesson here is Orwellian … in the same way that reason requires consciousness, tyranny demands ignorance.

Raising this is not a question of right versus left. It is rather- in the words of Al Gore – a question of right versus wrong. And also make no mistake that this is not simply an attack on, or a claim that the sole practitioner of masking intent is The Harper Government. Jean Charest, introduced Bill 78 as “An Act to Enable Students to Receive Instruction from the Post Secondary Education They Attend”. Under some fairly benign circumstances, it basically bans the freedom of assembly. And under the pretext of another perpetual war – the so-called War on Terrorism – the President of the United States not only routinely orders the execution of foreign nationals, on foreign soil, without any semblance of due process whatsoever, but boasts that this as one of the greatest accomplishments of his Presidency. And the American media routinely applauds him for it. Now I know it’s not comfortable to offer suspected terrorists due process, but isn’t this exactly the kind of behaviour Orwell was warning us about?

Having conceded this, I DO believe that this particular government is pursuing a not-so-hidden agenda. It starts with the premise that the Canadian political pendulum has over swung in the direction of liberalism – that the political agenda and discourse of this country, for too long, has been hijacked by urban elites who do not represent the voice of hard working men and women who live in the burbs, shop at Canadian Tire and take their kids to the hockey rink every week. And I DO believe that Stephen Harper and his colleagues have set out to systematically right what they see as this wrong.

This view holds that parks are for tourism and campers, not for the flora and fauna that must be protected by scientists. Policy should be based on conviction and not bloodless statistics. Governments should be guided by what is morally right and not by reason and rational compromise. From this view, science, statistics, reason and rational compromise are not tools of enlightened public policy, but barriers to the pursuit of swing that pendulum back.

The problem is, notwithstanding a fairly widespread consensus around the orthodoxies of balance budgets, market economies and open trade, Canadians, by and large, still believe in tolerance, compromise, egalitarianism. We tend to see ourselves as each other’s keeper with a responsibility for those who are less fortunate. So to realize this agenda, it becomes necessary to pursue it by stealth and circumvention rather than through transparency and directness. This too explains the apparent obsession with secrecy, message control and misdirection.

But even if you accept this thesis, it still begs another question …. if Canadians are essentially enlightened liberals, and are not prepared to offer wholesale buy-in to this vision of politics and the nation, why do we not hear a hue and cry in protest over the direction we are being led?

At root, I think a big part of the problem is cultural. For decades following the Second World War, a progress ethos dominated North American thought. The next car was going to be faster, the next paycheque fatter and the next house bigger. This notion that progress was both normal and limitless, generated a series of beliefs that were universally embraced. Anyone of my generation will remember being told … “You my child, deserve more than I had when I was growing up”…. “If you work hard and put your mind to it, you can be anything you want” … and “A good education is the key to success”. This value system – and an experience that closely corresponded to it – created not only a sense of well-being but also a sense of good will. If the prospects of progress and success were limitless, then whatever success you enjoyed in no way threatened the amount of success that might be available to me.

Today – in sharp contrast – we seem to be living in a zero sum society, where the prevailing wisdom is that the rich are getting richer while the poor or getting poorer; that whatever prosperity might be available is being unequally shared; and for many, opportunity is actually shrinking. In the same way that feelings of well -being can generate good will, feelings of threat spawn envy and recrimination. This not only explains the anger of the Occupy Movement or the students protesting in the streets of Montreal but also the disdain that the middle class has for “pampered” public sector employees or the excessive obsession the rich seem to have about the poor “ripping off the system”.

Once the population starts to segment itself into “us versus them,” anyone with a vested interest in exacerbating the rift can easily till that soil. And that is clearly what is happening in the political process today. On one hand, political parties no longer see the need to reach out and expand their base beyond their core constituency, because their core constituency is often at odds with the voters whom they otherwise might want to attract. To the contrary, it makes more sense to vilify these voters, as a way to motivate your core.

A vicious cultural wheel therefore is turned by a political one. A fearful, divided citizenry fights off uncertainty by protecting its own turf; politicians exploit this division by choosing sides and offering simplistic solutions to address these fears; and the population seeks solace in the simplistic solutions. So instead of trying to bridge these differences through consensus and finding compromise based on reason, what we see all too often today is the politics of polarization, over-torqued partisanship and dogma.

Here is how the perfect trifecta of a zero-sum society, the politics of division and the assault on reason plays out in the real world of politics. In his acceptance speech to the Republican National Convention, this is the rationale that Mitt Romney offered as the most compelling reason to vote for him instead of his opponent …. “President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family?”

What the f**k? As if the two are mutually exclusive? As if healing the planet means you can’t help families? Or that helping families means ignoring the planet?

Yet this was the biggest applause line of his entire speech. I guess for many, when you fear for your family, it is comforting to think that all you have to do to protect them is ignore rising ocean levels and everything will be alright. Once again, in the most perverse way, Orwell was right … Ignorance can feel like strength.

Many – from Noam Chomsky, to Neil Postman to Al Gore – have also laid the blame on the media. Either through sloth, sensationalism or the very pacifying nature of the medium itself, a culture saturated in trivia has become anesthetised to the larger needs of the world in which we live. Indeed, as Chris Hedges asks in his brilliant screed, The Empire of Illusion, when we come to believe that we are all only one audition away from celebrity, why concern yourselves with picayune problems like the homeless, let alone some arcane concept like the assault on reason? Most of this analysis however has been limited to the effect of television – the equivalent, of the ubiquitous telescreens of Orwell’s 1984. But instead of monitoring citizen activity, media today portrays an outside world that often in no way reflects reality beyond the sensational, the trivia and the pacifying.

But for whatever role television may have played in amusing ourselves to death in the past, we now live in a digital world where there is “evidence” for every and any view one might want to embrace. If I believe the world is flat, the internet now puts me in touch with legions of fellow flat earthers and reams of pseudo science to support that belief. As importantly, if I am so inclined, I never have to be exposed to any contrary views and can find total refuge in my community of flat earthers. The Internet therefore, offers me the opportunity to have a completely closed mind and at one in the same time, fill it full of nonsense disguised as fact. In a brand new way therefore, the internet democratizes not just individual opinion but legitimizes collective ignorance and spreads a bizzaro world of alternative reason. When this occurs, prejudice and bias is reinforced and the authority of real science and evidence is undermined or even more likely, never presented.

But it doesn’t have to be this way. History shows us that, over time, science’s authority always undermines dogma’s legitimacy and the persuasive power of reason will always trump ideology’s emotion. It’s true that if you want to follow a course based on dogma or ideology, it becomes necessary to remove science and reason. But the corollary also holds true – the best defense against dogma and ideology continues to by reason and science. And if it’s increasingly hard to find these qualities in the media or the political process, what better place to take a stand than in a University? This is where you come to seek intelligence; not belittle it. Where ideas are born; questions are asked; and thoughts collide. This is why so many have fought so long to protect academic freedom – to ensure that reason, inquiry and science cannot be assaulted by dogma and orthodoxy.

While the circumstance in Canada 2012 is obviously nowhere near as dystopian as what Orwell depicts in 1984, I really do think that there are some unsettling parallels going on here that we ignore at our peril. I also think it’s time to gather the facts….and fight back.   ..."]]]]]

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...believe me: there are still a few "not-brainwashed" by the systemists, etc., that believe in reason, rights, and logic in Canada...!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/social/peasants_for_ever/allan-gregg-speech-assault-on-reason_n_1871658_185975230.html

...some theories about advancement of human civilizations!
[*] the industrial revolution helped us escape from the dark middle ages, where knowledge and information acquiring or new ideas, was a privilege or prohibited and controled by the inquisition and other methods !
[*] the electronic revolution and computers has brought us further to today ! but the inquisitional religions and minds are still present !
[*] how can things get better from the best of times we have lived after the World Wars I and II ? some think that things cannot get better but worse ! meaning a better that was not the best, was reached , and will never return ! i can bet on it, as numbers and World over-population guarantees this !
[*] what else guarantees thing to never be better than we have known them or those previous times to us ? preservation as relevance ancient Religions and Academia Bible Theology, of sin, eternal damnation, and World destruction prophecies! ; draconian mentalities; and the use of Biology Evolution as an accepted Academia logic!
[*] capitalism and World markets will keep human greed guiding world destruction and wars!
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...U.S.A and Canada are not "humane" and "loving"! THEY MAKE THE SUB-HUMAN conditions they claim to not be!

U.S.A. "crazy" Bank Foreclosures

Surrey, B.C. "Peasant Food Bank"

MORE RENTALS, MORE LANDLORDS, AND more "English" people without their "own" homes!
The feeling though ignored of "human-degradation" and "self respect" is rampant!
Housing is a social classes "privilege" !

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/09/20129492525948179.html

Fault Lines
For sale: The American dream
Owning a home has long been integral to the American dream, but since the foreclosure crisis that dream has turned sour.
Fault Lines Last Modified: 05 Sep 2012 13:59

[[["...The US' housing bubble burst nearly six years ago, but the worst may be yet to come.

After a landmark settlement, the major banks have lifted a freeze on foreclosures and government relief has been too small to make a difference.

"We are often portrayed as the bad people, like we basically just come in and make all the money from people who are in bad situations. But the fact is, if we don't buy the property then the bank [will] take the property back."

- Amy Chen, a real estate investor

Public housing budgets have been slashed, leaving larger numbers of people with no place to call home.

The line between home ownership and homelessness is growing ever more blurry, but neither President Barack Obama nor Governor Mitt Romney have made housing a major campaign issue.

Meanwhile, popular anger is rising over the perceived impunity of the banks and some have found innovative ways of fighting back in an age of austerity.

Fault Lines travels to Chicago and California to see how people at the frontlines of the crisis are confronting the collapse of the American dream.

"If you ask people who have been foreclosed upon, whose fault is it? They often they say it's mine. It's my fault, I did the wrong thing, instead of kind of saying this is a systemic problem," explains David Harvey, a social theorist and a professor of anthropology at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York.

"Capital is always producing surpluses, at the end of the day if you have got a profit, you've got a surplus and the big question is what do you do with it.

"[So] what you do is that you take part of that surplus and you reinvest it in something. And in United States, housing and urbanisation in general has been a vast field for expansion of profitable opportunities."..."]]]




...more peasants, more government poor barely sustained by Government, 2nd hand clothing, old canned food, no health care or very little of it, food banks, rental landlords who get most of the government check, is what U.S.A. Bernanky, Canada-David Dodge, and Queen Elizabeth II, have achieved in her 60 years!

WHAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT...!

U.S.A has another BANANA republic of 37Million inside of their American dream country...!

Canada has nearly 10Million of "dodo" birds!

IT IS SURREAL ! 
WHEN THEY WILL PROVIDE "EMPLOYMENT" FOR SO MANY government maintained humans?

And folks, "immigrants" welcome to NORTH AMERICA!

They are not "humane" and "loving"! NOOOOOooo ! They make sub-human conditions and then claim they help!
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...year 2006, available article and not in an archive...! Pope Benedict XVI fires astronomer !

Pope Benedict has come back to some good Philosophy and Logic!
Way before my Book in 2008, that was started around 2006.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-401950/Pope-sacks-astronomer-evolution-debate.html#comments

Pope sacks astronomer over evolution debate

By SIMON CALDWELL, Daily Mail

Last updated at 16:57 23 August 2006

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Pope Benedict XVI has sacked his chief astronomer

Pope Benedict XVI has sacked his chief astronomer after a series of public clashes over the theory of evolution.

He has removed Father George Coyne from his position as director of the Vatican Observatory after the American Jesuit priest repeatedly contradicted the Holy See's endorsement of "intelligent design" theory, which essentially backs the "Adam and Eve" theory of creation.

Intelligent design

Benedict favours intelligent design, which says God directs the process of evolution, over Charles Darwin?s original theory which holds that species evolve through the random, unplanned processes of genetic mutation and the survival of the fittest.

But Father Coyne, the director of the Vatican Observatory for 28 years, is an outspoken supporter of Darwin?s theory, arguing that it is compatible with Christianity.

He has been replaced by Argentine Jesuit Father Jose Funes, 43, an expert on disk galaxies.

Although the Vatican did not give reasons for Father Coyne?s replacement, sources close to the Holy See say that Benedict would have been unhappy with the priest?s public opposition to intelligent design theory.

Father Coyne?s most notable intervention came after Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna, a former student of the Pope, put the case for intelligent design in an article in the New York Times in July last year.

Debate

The cardinal, responding to an explosive debate on evolution in the US, had argued that Darwinian concepts of "random variation and natural selection" were incompatible with the Catholic belief that there is a divine purpose and design to nature.

The cardinal also said that the evolution had become an atheistic ideological dogma that was being used against the Church.

The views of Cardinal Schonborn, one of the authors of the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church, were criticised just a month later in an article written by Father Coyne for the London-based Tablet magazine.

God "is not constantly intervening, but rather allows, participates, loves," Fr Coyne wrote, adding: "Religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator or designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly.

"Perhaps God should be seen more as a parent or as one who speaks encouraging and sustaining words."

The priest later attacked intelligent design theory as a "religious movement" lacking any scientific merit.

Speaking at a conference in Florida a year ago, Father Coyne said that "intelligent design isn't science, even if it pretends to be".

Then in a November interview, the 73-year-old priest said the Pope should withhold judgment on the issue, saying he "doesn't have the slightest idea of what intelligent design means in the U.S.".

Evolution

Benedict, one of the most respected theologians in the Catholic Church, is understood to be deeply interested in the evolution debate, and has referred to the cosmos as an "intelligent project".

One source indicated that Cardinal Schonborn?s New York Times article would not have been written without the Pope's permission.

The removal of Father Coyne also comes just weeks before the Vatican hosts a weekend seminar to examine the impact Darwin's theory on the Church's teaching of Creation.

The observatory has its origins in the observational tower erected at the Vatican by Pope Gregory XIII in 1578 during reforms of the Western calendar.

In 1800 the Church began to use the tower for astronomy and in 1891 Pope Leo XIII formally established the Vatican Observatory.


It has been entrusted to the Jesuits since 1934. Observatory staff work from facilities south of Rome and the University of Arizona in Tucson.
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...the catholic church really is a 21st CENTURY "dinosaur" that has not gone extinct ! and amazingly they have not lost their minds to Darwin and Biology Evolution ! BUT AS TO ANCIENT BELIEFS AND MYTHS, THEY ARE TOP NOTCH! what i am sure is that the Pope is not allowed to "allegedly" speak to the "dead or spirits", and much less preach to them ! but they do believe in "demoniac possession"!

...astronomy of the catholic church, must be to see jesus in his 2nd visit to this Planet that IS NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE OR SOLAR SYSTEM !

...is it "hate speech" to make fun of the catholic church and their myths! as far as i know, the same applies if i make fun of a FLAT EARTH! IT IS AN OLD OLD STORY, NOT WORTH EVEN WORRYING ABOUT HATE OR BLASPHEMY! THIS PROVES THEM ALL WRONG AND CANADA, AND THE JUDICIARY! How can so ancient beliefs be worried about when they are the same as the idea of a "flat earth", of which you can make all the fun about you want...!

TO PURE LOGIC: Any Religion today and their ancient logic mostly is, AS A FLAT EARTH MAY MEAN TO THEM, SO TO PURE LOGIC DOES THEIR RELIGIONS NON-LOGIC MEAN...!
They would laugh their belies off talking about a "flat Earth as true"...! And so does pure logic to all todays stupid beliefs and non-logic...!

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More Bibleisms! : Book of Numbers Chapter 5 - Apostolic Polyglot Bible

Dear logic students and students of logic,

I thought I had most of the logic of the Bible
covered or contemplated. But I was wrong.

From somewhere other than the Catholic Church's
usage of "holy water", came the idea to search
for these words.

I had not realized the meaning of this verse
as I had not really heard or payed much attention
to it's specificity.

Furthermore in Spanish versions, the word water
is not defined as "holy : agua santa ; agua
bendita"!

What is amazing is that the Apostolic Polyglot
Bible, gives to understand that this "holy water"
could be "semen", or something to cause some
kind of "abortion" or whatever!
http://www.apostolicbible.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Bible_Polyglot
 
The further ignorance of such issues, and the
obvious editing and exclusion of so many things
from the Bible text, is really quite a big
problem for what is considered to be a sacred
thing for Canada, and abortions! How can the Bible
be in Academia and the Judiciary, and it not be
known the Historic ignorance!

U.S.A had "sinned" having the 10 Commandments as
Laws in front or inside of many Court Buildings,
when it is not even 9 now, but only 8 that could
be considered as laws, and the other two as
recommendations and counsels.

THIS PROCESS OF DEIFICATION AND MAKING 
HOLY THE BIBLE MORE THAN IT REALLY IS, is 
the contrary of the "demonization" and vilifying of my 
person and of pure logic.

Once again, cheers to your ignorance of History,
and the truth of things! And to make what is nonsensical 
have so much public presence and value,
being of so real little value. Of which are:
Biology Evolution and Bible Academia Theology,
and others.

Really it is all a big History disgrace! It is
amazing how the good morale and ethics influence
of those that used the Bible, had such good
influence!

Please refer bellow to the references to the
Bible Book of Numbers 5.


All Bible versions/translations are from:
http://www.theword.net/

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Numbers 5 [VER. NET]

 11 The LORD spoke to Moses: 12 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them, ‘If any man’s wife goes astray and behaves unfaithfully toward him, 13 and a man has sexual relations with her without her husband knowing it, and it is hidden that she has defiled herself, since there was no witness against her, nor was she caught – 14 and if jealous feelings come over him and he becomes suspicious of his wife, when she is defiled; or if jealous feelings come over him and he becomes suspicious of his wife, when she is not defiled – 15 then the man must bring his wife to the priest, and he must bring the offering required for her, one tenth of an ephah of barley meal; he must not pour olive oil on it or put frankincense on it, because it is a grain offering of suspicion, a grain offering for remembering, for bringing iniquity to remembrance.
 16 “‘Then the priest will bring her near and have her stand before the LORD. 17 The priest will then take holy water in a pottery jar, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle, and put it into the water. 18 Then the priest will have the woman stand before the LORD, uncover the woman’s head, and put the grain offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of suspicion. The priest will hold in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest will put the woman under oath and say to the her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you, and if you have not gone astray and become defiled while under your husband’s authority, may you be free from this bitter water that brings a curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had sexual relations with you….” 21 Then the priest will put the woman under the oath of the curse and will say to the her, “The LORD make you an attested curse among your people, if the LORD makes your thigh fall away and your abdomen swell; 22 and this water that causes the curse will go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh rot.” Then the woman must say, “Amen, amen.”
 23 “‘Then the priest will write these curses on a scroll and then scrape them off into the bitter water. 24 He will make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and the water that brings a curse will enter her to produce bitterness. 25 The priest will take the grain offering of suspicion from the woman’s hand, wave the grain offering before the LORD, and bring it to the altar. 26 Then the priest will take a handful of the grain offering as its memorial portion, burn it on the altar, and afterward make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and behaved unfaithfully toward her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter her to produce bitterness – her abdomen will swell, her thigh will fall away, and the woman will become a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself, and is clean, then she will be free of ill effects and will be able to bear children.
 29 “‘This is the law for cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when jealous feelings come over a man and he becomes suspicious of his wife; then he must have the woman stand before the LORD, and the priest will carry out all this law upon her. 31 Then the man will be free from iniquity, but that woman will bear the consequences of her iniquity.’”

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Numbers 5 [VER. Tyndale]
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 1 And the Lorde spake vnto Moses sayenge: 2 commaunde the childern of Israel that they put out of the hoste all the lepers and all that haue yssues and all that are defyled apon the deed Lev 13:3; Lev 13:46; Lev 15:2; Lev 21:1; 3 whether they be males or females ye shall put them out of the hoste that they defyle not the tentes amoge which I dwell. 4 And the childern of Israel dyd so and put them out of the hoste: euen as the Lorde comaunded Moses so dyd the childern of Israel.
 5 And the Lorde spake vnto Moses sayenge: 6 speake vnto the childern of Israel: whether it be man or woman whe they haue synned any maner of synne which a man doeth wherewith a man trespaseth agenst the Lorde so that the soule hath done amysse: Lev 6:1; Lev 6:3; 7 then they shall knowlege their synnes which they haue done and restore agayne the hurte that they haue done in the hole and put the fyfte parte of it moare thereto and geue it vnto him whom he hath trespased agenste. Lev 6:5; 8 But and yf he that maketh the amendes have no man to doo itto then the amendes that is made shalbe the Lordes and the preastes besyde the ram of the attonementofferynge where with he maketh an attonemet for hymselfe
 9 And all heueofferynges of all the halowed thinges which the childern of Israel brynge vnto the preaste shalbe the preastes 10 and euery mans halowed thinges shalbe his awne but what soeuer any man geueth the preast it shalbe the preastes. Lev 10:12;
 11 And the Lorde spake vnto Moses sayenge: 12 speake vnto the childern of Israell and saye vnto them. Yf any mans wyfe goo a syde and trespase agaynst hym 13 so that another man lye with her fleshely and the thynge be hydd from the eyes of hir husbonde and is not come to lighte that she is defyled (for there is no witnesse agenst her) in as moche as she was not taken with the maner 14 and the sprete of gelousye cometh apon him and he is gelouse ouer his wyfe and she defyled Or happely the sprete of gelousye cometh apon him and he is gelouse ouer hys wyfe ad she yet vndefyled. 15 The let hyr husbonde bringe her vnto the preaste and brynge an offerynge for her: the tenthe parte of an Epha of barlye meele but shall poure none oyle there vnto nor put frankencens thereon: for it is an offerynge of gelousye and an offerynge that maketh remembraunce of synne.
 16 And let the preast brynge her and sett her before the Lorde 17 and let him take holy water in an erthen vessell and of the dust that is in ye flore of the habytacyon and put it in to the water. 18 And the preast shall set the wyfe before the Lorde and vncouer hir heed and put the memoryall of the offerynge in hyr handes whiche is the gelousye offerynge and ye preast shall haue bytter and cursynge water i n his hande and he shall coniure her and shall saye vnto her. 19 Yf no man haue lyen wyth the nether haste gone asyde and defyled thy selfe behynde thy husbonde then haue thou no harme of this bytter cursynge water. 20 But and yf thou hast gone asyde behynde thyne husbonde and art defyled and some other man hath lyen with the besyde thyne husbonde 21 (and let the preaste coniure her with the coniuracyon of the curse and saye vnto her) the Lorde make the a curse and a coniuracyon amonge thy people: so tha t the Lorde make thy thye rotte and thy bely swell 22 and thys bytter cursynge water goo in to the bowels of the that thy bely swell and thy thye rotte and the wyfe shall saye Amen Amen. 23 And the preast shall wrytte this curse in a byll and wasshe it o ut in the bytter water. 24 And when the cursynge water ys yn her that it is bytter
 25 then let the preast take the gelousy offerynge out of the wyfes hande and waue it before the Lorde and brynge it vnto the altare: 26 and he shall take an handefull off the memory all offerynge and burne it apon the alter and then make her dryncke the water 27 and when he hath made her drynke the water. Yf she be defyled and haue trespased agenst her husbond then shall the cursynge water goo in to her and be so bitter yt hir bely shall swell and hir thye shall rotte and she shalbe a curse amonge hir people. 28 And yf she be not defyled but is cleane then she shall haue no harme but that she maye conceaue.
 29 This is the lawe of gelousye when a wyfe goeth a syde behynde hyr husbonde ad is defyled 30 or when the spirite of gelousye cometh apon a man so that he is gelouse ouer his wife: then he shall bringe her before the Lorde and the preast shall ministre all this lawe vnto her 31 and the man shalbe giltlesse and the wyfe shall bere hir synne.

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Numbers 5 [VER. KJV][With Hebrew word nuumbers]
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 1 And the LORD H3068 spake H1696 unto Moses H4872, saying H559, 2 Command H6680 the children H1121 of Israel H3478, that they put out H7971 of the camp H4264 every leper H6879, and every one that hath an issue H2100, and whosoever is defiled H2931 by the dead H5315: Lev 13:3; Lev 13:46; Lev 15:2; Lev 21:1; 3 Both male H2145 and female H5347 shall ye put out H7971, without H2351 the camp H4264 shall ye put H7971 them; that they defile H2930 not their camps H4264, in the midst H8432 whereof H834 I dwell H7931. 4 And the children H1121 of Israel H3478 did so H6213, and put them out H7971 without H2351 the camp H4264: as the LORD H3068 spake H1696 unto Moses H4872, so did H6213 the children H1121 of Israel H3478. 5 And the LORD H3068 spake H1696 unto Moses H4872, saying H559, 6 Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel H3478, When a man H376 or woman H802 shall commit H6213 any sin H2403 that men H120 commit H4603, to do a trespass H4604 against the LORD H3068, and that person H5315 be guilty H816; Lev 6:1; Lev 6:3; 7 Then they shall confess H3034 their sin H2403 which they have done H6213: and he shall recompense H7725 his trespass H817 with the principal H7218 thereof, and add H3254 unto it the fifth H2549 part thereof, and give H5414 it unto him against whom he hath trespassed H816. Lev 6:5; 8 But if the man H376 have no kinsman H1350 to recompense H7725 the trespass H817 unto, let the trespass H817 be recompensed H7725 unto the LORD H3068, even to the priest H3548; beside the ram H352 of the atonement H3725, whereby an atonement shall be made H3722 for him. 9 And every offering H8641 of all the holy things H6944 of the children H1121 of Israel H3478, which they bring H7126 unto the priest H3548, shall be his.1  10 And every man's H376 hallowed things H6944 shall be his: whatsoever any man H376 giveth H5414 the priest H3548, it shall be his.  Lev 10:12;
 11 And the LORD H3068 spake H1696 unto Moses H4872, saying H559, 12 Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel H3478, and say H559 unto them, If any H376 man's H376 wife H802 go aside H7847, and commit H4603 a trespass H4604 against him, 13 And a man H376 lie H7901 with her carnally H7902 H2233, and it be hid H5956 from the eyes H5869 of her husband H376, and be kept close H5641, and she be defiled H2930, and there be no witness H5707 against her, neither she be taken H8610 with the manner; 14 And the spirit H7307 of jealousy H7068 come H5674 upon him, and he be jealous H7065 of his wife H802, and she be defiled H2930: or if the spirit H7307 of jealousy H7068 come H5674 upon him, and he be jealous H7065 of his wife H802, and she be not defiled H2930: 15 Then shall the man H376 bring H935 his wife H802 unto the priest H3548, and he shall bring H935 her offering H7133 for her, the tenth H6224 part of an ephah H374 of barley H8184 meal H7058; he shall pour H3332 no oil H8081 upon it, nor put H5414 frankincense H3828 thereon; for it is an offering H4503 of jealousy H7068, an offering H4503 of memorial H2146, bringing H2142 iniquity H5771 to remembrance H2142. 16 And the priest H3548 shall bring her near H7126, and set H5975 her before H6440 the LORD H3068: 17 And the priest H3548 shall take H3947 holy H6918 water H4325 in an earthen H2789 vessel H3627; and of the dust H6083 that is in the floor H7172 of the tabernacle H4908 the priest H3548 shall take H3947, and put H5414 it into the water H4325: 18 And the priest H3548 shall set H5975 the woman H802 before H6440 the LORD H3068, and uncover H6544 the woman's H802 head H7218, and put H5414 the offering H4503 of memorial H2146 in her hands H3709, which is the jealousy H7068 offering H4503: and the priest H3548 shall have in his hand H3027 the bitter H4751 water H4325 that causeth the curse H779: 19 And the priest H3548 shall charge her by an oath H7650, and say H559 unto the woman H802, If no man H376 have lain H7901 with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside H7847 to uncleanness H2932 with another instead of thy husband H376, be thou free H5352 from this bitter H4751 water H4325 that causeth the curse H779:2  20 But if thou hast gone aside H7847 to another instead of thy husband H376, and if thou be defiled H2930, and some man H376 have H5414 lain H7903 with thee beside H1107 thine husband H376: 21 Then the priest H3548 shall charge H7650 the woman H802 with an oath H7621 of cursing H423, and the priest H3548 shall say H559 unto the woman H802, The LORD H3068 make H5414 thee a curse H423 and an oath H7621 among H8432 thy people H5971, when the LORD H3068 doth make H5414 thy thigh H3409 to rot H5307, and thy belly H990 to swell H6639;3  22 And this water H4325 that causeth the curse H779 shall go H935 into thy bowels H4578, to make thy belly H990 to swell H6638, and thy thigh H3409 to rot H5307: And the woman H802 shall say H559, Amen H543, amen H543. 23 And the priest H3548 shall write H3789 these curses H423 in a book H5612, and he shall blot H4229 them out with the bitter H4751 water H4325: 24 And he shall cause the woman H802 to drink H8248 the bitter H4751 water H4325 that causeth the curse H779: and the water H4325 that causeth the curse H779 shall enter H935 into her, and become bitter H4751. 25 Then the priest H3548 shall take H3947 the jealousy H7068 offering H4503 out of the woman's H802 hand H3027, and shall wave H5130 the offering H4503 before H6440 the LORD H3068, and offer H7126 it upon the altar H4196: 26 And the priest H3548 shall take an handful H7061 of the offering H4503, even the memorial H234 thereof, and burn H6999 it upon the altar H4196, and afterward H310 shall cause the woman H802 to drink H8248 the water H4325. 27 And when he hath made her to drink H8248 the water H4325, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled H2930, and have done H4603 trespass H4604 against her husband H376, that the water H4325 that causeth the curse H779 shall enter H935 into her, and become bitter H4751, and her belly H990 shall swell H6638, and her thigh H3409 shall rot H5307: and the woman H802 shall be a curse H423 among H7130 her people H5971. 28 And if the woman H802 be not defiled H2930, but be clean H2889; then she shall be free H5352, and shall conceive H2232 seed H2233. 29 This is the law H8451 of jealousies H7068, when a wife H802 goeth aside H7847 to another instead of her husband H376, and is defiled H2930; 30 Or when the spirit H7307 of jealousy H7068 cometh H5674 upon him H376, and he be jealous H7065 over his wife H802, and shall set H5975 the woman H802 before H6440 the LORD H3068, and the priest H3548 shall execute H6213 upon her all this law H8451. 31 Then shall the man H376 be guiltless H5352 from iniquity H5771, and this H1931 woman H802 shall bear H5375 her iniquity H5771.


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Numbers 5 [VER. ABPen][With Greek word numbers]
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 1 And G2532 the LORD spoke G2980 G2962 to G4314 Moses, saying G3004, 2 Assign G4367 to the G3588 sons G5207 of Israel, and G2532 let them send out G1821 from G1537 the G3588 camp G3925 every G3956 leper G3015, and G2532 every G3956 one having gonorrhea G1118.1, and G2532 every G3956 one unclean G169 from G1909 a dead soul G5590! Lev 13:3; Lev 13:46; Lev 15:2; Lev 21:1; 3 from G575 male G732.1 unto G2193 female G2337.1 you send them G1821 outside G1854 the G3588 camp G3925! for G2532 in no way G3766.2 shall they defile G3392 G3588 their camp G3925 G1473 in G1722 which G3739 I G1473 occupy G2606.3 among G1722 them G1473. 4 And G2532 [4 did G4160 5 thus G3779 1 the G3588 2 sons G5207 3 of Israel]. And G2532 they sent G1821 them G1473 outside G1854 the G3588 camp G3925 as G2505 the LORD said G2980 G2962 to G3588 Moses -- thus G3779 [4 did G4160 1 the G3588 2 sons G5207 3 of Israel].
 5 And G2532 the LORD spoke G2980 G2962 to G4314 Moses, saying G3004, 6 Speak G2980 to the G3588 sons G5207 of Israel! saying G3004, A man G435 or G2228 woman G1135, who G3748 ever G302 should commit G4160 of G575 all G3956 the G3588 sins G266 of G3588 mankind G442, and G2532 ignoring G3917.2 should ignore G3917.2, and G2532 [2 should trespass G4131.2 G3588 1 that soul] G5590 G1565, Lev 6:1; Lev 6:3; 7 he should declare openly G1805.1 the G3588 sin G266 which G3739 he did G4160, and G2532 shall give G591 for the G3588 trespass offering G4131.1 the G3588 total sum G2774, and G2532 the G3588 fifth part G1967.1 of it G1473 he shall add G4369 unto G1909 it G1473, and G2532 shall give back G591 to whomever G5100 he trespassed against G4131.2 him G1473. Lev 6:5; 8 But if G1437 G1161 there might not G3361 be G1510.3 to the G3588 man G444 G3588 acting as next of kin G70.4, so as G5620 to give G591 to him satisfaction G1473 for the G3588 trespass offering G4131.3, let the G3588 trespass offering G4131.3, the one G3588 being given G591 be to the G3588 LORD - G2962- [2 for the G3588 3 priest G2409 1 it shall be] G1510.8.3, besides G4133 the G3588 ram G2919.1 of the G3588 atonement G2434, by G1223 which G3739 he shall atone G1837.2 with G1722 it G1473 for G4012 him G1473.
 9 And G2532 every G3956 first-fruit G536 of G2596 all G3956 the G3588 things having been sanctified G37 among G1722 the sons G5207 of Israel, as many G3745 as G302 they should offer G4374 to the LORD G2962, [2 for the G3588 3 priest G2409 4 himself G1473 1 will be] G1510.8.3. 10 And G2532 the things of each man G1538 G3588 having been sanctified G37 it will be his G1473 G1510.8.3; and G2532 a man G435, who G3739 ever G302 should give anything G1325 to the G3588 priest G2409, to him G1473 it will be his G1510.8.3. Lev 10:12;
 11 And G2532 the LORD spoke G2980 G2962 to G4314 Moses, saying G3004, 12 Speak G2980 to the G3588 sons G5207 of Israel! and G2532 you shall say G2046 to G4314 them G1473, The man G435, a man G435 if G1437 [2 should violate G3845 G3588 1 his wife] G1135 G1473, and G2532 in overlooking G5237 should ignore G3917.1 him G1473, 13 and G2532 anyone should go to bed G2837 G5100 with G3326 her G1473 in the marriage-bed G2845 of semen G4690, and G2532 it should be unaware G2990 from G1537 the eyes G3788 G3588 of her husband G435 G1473, and G2532 she should hide it G2928, and herself G1473 G1161 should be G1510.3 defiled G3392, and G2532 [2 witness G3144 1 there should be no G3361 G1510.3] against G2596 her G1473, and G2532 she G1473 should not G3361 be G1510.3 conceived G4815; 14 and G2532 there should come upon G1904 him G1473 a spirit G4151 of jealousy G2206.1, and G2532 he should be jealous G2206 G3588 of his wife G1135 G1473, and she G1473 G1161 be defiled G3392; or G2228 there should come upon G1904 him G1473 a spirit G4151 of jealousy G2206.1 and G2532 he should be jealous G2206 G3588 of his wife G1135 G1473, and she G1473 G1161 should not G3361 be G1510.3 defiled G3392; 15 then G2532 [3 shall lead G71 1 the G3588 2 man G444] G3588 his wife G1135 G1473 to G4314 the G3588 priest G2409, and G2532 he shall bring G4374 the G3588 gift G1435 for G4012 her G1473, the G3588 tenth G1181 of the G3588 ephah G3634.1 of flour G224 of barley G2916; he shall not G3756 pour G2022 upon G1909 it G1473 olive oil G1637, nor G3761 shall he place G2007 upon G1909 it G1473 frankincense G3030; for it is G1510.2.3 G1063 a sacrifice G2378 for jealousy G2205.1, a sacrifice G2378 of memorial G3422, calling to mind G363 sin G266.
 16 And G2532 [3 shall bring G4317 4 her G1473 1 the G3588 2 priest] G2409, and G2532 stand G2476 her G1473 before G1725 the LORD G2962. 17 And G2532 [3 shall take G2983 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409 6 water G5204 4 clean G2513 5 living G2198] in G1722 [2 receptacle G30 1 an earthenware] G3749, and G2532 some of the G3588 earth G1093 G3588 being G1510.6 upon G1909 the G3588 floor G1475 of the G3588 tent G4633 of the G3588 testimony G3142; and G2532 taking it G2983, the G3588 priest G2409 shall put it G1685 into G1519 the G3588 water G5204. 18 And G2532 [3 shall stand G2476 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] the G3588 woman G1135 before G1725 the LORD G2962, and G2532 he shall uncover G601 the G3588 head G2776 of the G3588 woman G1135, and G2532 he shall give G1325 unto G1909 G3588 her hands G5495 G1473 the G3588 sacrifice G2378 G3588 of memorial G3422, the G3588 sacrifice G2378 G3588 of jealousy G2205.1; but in G1722 G1161 the G3588 hand G5495 of the G3588 priest G2409 will be G1510.8.3 the G3588 water G5204 G3588 of rebuke G1648.1, the one G3588 accursing G1943.2 this G3778. 19 And G2532 [3 shall adjure G3726 4 her G1473 1 the G3588 2 priest] G2409, and G2532 he shall say G2046 to the G3588 woman G1135, If no G1508 one has gone to bed G2837 G5100 with G3326 you G1473, if you have not G1508 violated G3845 to be defiled G3392 being under G5259 G3588 [2 husband G435 G3588 1 your own] G4572, be innocent G121 G1510.5 from G575 [2 by the G3588 3 water G5204 G3588 4 of rebuke G1648.1 G3588 1 this accursing] G1943.2 G3778! 20 But if G1487 G1161 [2 you G1473 3 violated G3845 1 being married] G5220 G1510.6, or G2228 were defiled G3392, and G2532 any gave G1325 G5100 G3588 of his marriage-bed G2845 G1473 with G1722 you G1473, besides G4133 G3588 your husband G435 G1473; 21 then G2532 [3 shall bind G3726 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] the G3588 woman G1135 by G1722 the G3588 oaths G3727 G3588 of this imprecation G685 G3778. And G2532 [3 shall say G2046 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] to the G3588 woman G1135, May [2 appoint G1325 3 you G1473 1 the LORD G2962] to G1722 a curse G685 and G2532 solemn affirmation G1774.3 in G1722 the midst G3319 G3588 of your people G2992 G1473, in G1722 the G3588 LORD giving G1325 G2962 G3588 of your thigh G3382 G1473 to miscarry G1276.3, and G2532 G3588 your belly G2836 G1473 to bloat G4247.1; 22 and G2532 [3 shall enter G1525 G3588 2 water G5204 G3588 1 this accursing G1943.2 G3778] into G1519 G3588 your belly G2836 G1473 to bloat G4247.1 pregnant G1064 and G2532 to miscarry G1276.3 by your thigh G3382 G1473. And G2532 [3 shall say G2046 1 the G3588 2 woman] G1135, May it be G1096. May it be G1096. 23 And G2532 [3 shall write G1125 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] G3588 these imprecations G685 G3778 on G1519 a scroll G975, and G2532 shall wipe them away G1813 in G1519 the G3588 water G5204 of the G3588 rebuke G1648.1 of the G3588 accursing G1943.2. 24 And G2532 he shall give to drink to G4222 the G3588 woman G1135 the G3588 water G5204 of the G3588 rebuke G1648.1 of the G3588 accursing G1943.2; and G2532 shall enter G1525 into G1519 her G1473 the G3588 water G5204 of the G3588 rebuke G1648.1 of the G3588 accursing G1943.2.
 25 And G2532 [3 shall take G2983 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] from out of G1537 the hand G5495 of the G3588 woman G1135 the G3588 sacrifice G2378 G3588 of jealousy G2205.1, and G2532 shall place G2007 the G3588 sacrifice G2378 before G1725 the LORD G2962. And G2532 he shall bring G4374 her G1473 unto G1909 the G3588 altar G2379. 26 And G2532 [3 shall grab G1405 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] from G575 the G3588 sacrifice G2378 G3588 as a memorial G3422 of it G1473, and G2532 he shall offer G399 it G1473 upon G1909 the G3588 altar G2379; and G2532 after G3326 these things G3778 he will cause [3 to drink G4222 1 the G3588 2 woman G1135] the G3588 water G5204. 27 And G2532 it shall be G1510.8.3 if G1437 she should be G1510.3 defiled G3392, and G2532 in forgetfulness G3024 [2 should be unaware G2990 G3588 1 her husband] G435 G1473, then G2532 shall enter G1525 into G1519 her G1473 the G3588 water G5204 G3588 of rebuke G1648.1 G3588 of accursing G1943.2, and G2532 [3 shall bloat G4247.1 1 the G3588 2 belly] G2836, and G2532 [2 shall miscarry G1276.3 G3588 1 her thigh] G3382 G1473. And G2532 [3 will be G1510.8.3 1 the G3588 2 woman G1135] for G1519 a curse G685 G3588 to her people G2992 G1473. 28 But if G1437 G1161 [3 should not G3361 4 be defiled G3392 1 the G3588 2 woman] G1135, and G2532 should be clean G2513 G1510.3, then G2532 she will be innocent G121 G1510.8.3, and G2532 shall produce offspring G1610.7 of semen G4690.
 29 This G3778 is the G3588 law G3551 of the G3588 jealousy G2205.1 in which G3739 ever G302 [3 should violate G3845 G3588 1 a woman G1135 2 being married G5220 G1510.6] and G2532 should be defiled G3392; 30 or G2228 a man G444 who G3739 ever G1437 should have [3 come G1904 4 upon G1909 5 him G1473 1 a spirit G4151 2 of jealousy] G2206.1, and G2532 should be jealous G2206 G3588 of his wife G1135 G1473, and G2532 should stand G2476 G3588 his wife G1135 G1473 before G1725 the LORD G2962, then G2532 [3 shall do G4160 4 to her G1473 1 the G3588 2 priest G2409] all G3956 G3588 this law G3551 G3778. 31 And G2532 [3 will be innocent G121 G1510.8.3 1 the G3588 2 man G444] from G575 sin G266. And G2532 that woman G1135 G1565 shall take G2983 the G3588 sin G266 on herself G1473.


George F. Thomson

POVERTY U.S.A & Canada, with the lost country of "Canadia"!

POVERTY U.S.A & Canada: a real disgrace as bad as Latino Banana Republics, or China, Cuba, or Russia!
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/files/income.html

2000    2005    2006    2007
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Persons below poverty level (million)            
31.6       37.0     36.5     37.3     (NA)
Persons below poverty, percent of total    
11.3     12.6     12.3     12.5     (NA)
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For a Rich country, 37.3Milion real poor peasants, out of US Population Estimate: 314,288,114 at 17:13-UTC-(EST+5)-Sep-02-2012, is a real big number, in which "statistics" does not mean anything!
WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THAT U.S.A. HAS AN ADDED COUNTRY INSIDE ITSELF THE SIZE OF CANADA OR VENEZUELA OF REAL POOR PEASANTS!
ECONOMICALLY THIS LOAD OF POPULATION, MEANS THAT THEIR INTERNATIONAL HELP TO POOR COUNTRIES IS SIMPLY A SMOKE SCREEN! THEY HAVE MORE POOR THAN THEY CAN HANDLE WITH OR DO NOT WANT TO HANDLE WITH IN THE U.S.A.!
THIS is a disgrace a Republican non-social programs government has never done much for!

STATISTICS has tricked them again! Statistics does not work in big numbers, it actually covers up the problem in this case!

Canada had more poor statistically, or welfare peasants! It is around 8million of the 30 or more million of Canada!
THESE PEASANTS ARE DOOMED TO BE TREATED AS SLAVES IN WHICH THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS MOST ALL THEIR LIVES, especially if the "landlord" does not get the "rent" payed from their "government welfare", leaving them most of the time with not much more to buy anything!

THE WRONG CONCEPT THAT "GOVERNMENT MAINTAINED POPULATION" IS WRONG AND MAKES THEM LAZY, WHEN EVERYBODY IS MAINTAINED WITH THEIR JOBS AND DEPEND ON IT LIKE CRAZY!
THE LANDLORDS are the main "slave" drivers, with welfare personnel, living off the government anyway, and treating peasants in a sub-human way!
Their lives are a nearly complete "human degradation", they have not any self respect, nor real rights, a poor person from a Banana Republic at least has more freedoms, as to housing, and street presence and open Markets artisan work!

CAPITALISM IS THE SLAVERY SCOURGE OF THE EARTH...!
U.S.A AND CANADA and their public control, is made for those with money! The poor do not have anywhere to be or work cheaply for themselves, in open Markets, or street areas!
The poor of old could do more things!

WHAT IS WORSE! UNDER THE "NEW-ANCIENT" FORM of public control, and now "discipline", of psychiatry and mental health "judges", you are "stripped" of your persona rights, by the decision of one person, with no-revision, of anybody! And illegally detained now for 3 weeks, not 48hrs with immediate lawyer presence!
They have purposely made lawyers and courts too costly, so that it justifies their ancient history regression, of detentions, torture, and stripping of all your rights!
AND CANADIANS HAVE ACCEPTED THIS, loosing half of their persona and Country CONSTITUTION in the process!
I AM SURE THEIR MINDS HAVE SUFFERED SOME "REGRESSIVE" PROBLEM! You cannot run humans as kids or caged animals! Of course "kids rules=no rights" and caged animals will not mis-behave! they can't!

CANADA is becoming the lost in time country of CANADIA...!
They have become a modern communist China/Cuba/Russia! 

I have no private life: I do not know though infer about their private lives, but they know all kinds of wrong stories about me! and my rights are stripped away from me for anything meager without any self defense! no real problems are solved, and it actually makes the problems more stronger! the population is controlled under fear and general brain-washing chemicals. they have no more room for new ideas or progress in logic! they have been told and menaced, nothing to do with pure logic! imagine what freedoms is that? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE DARK MIDDLE AGES OF THE YEARS FROM 1500-1800, OR AS BAD AS THE BIBLE TIMES AND THE BIBLE STORIES!

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